Integrity of a VIN – The Key to Identifying a Vehicle & Preserving Your Investment
If the VIN or serial number on your vehicle, or the vehicle which you are buying or selling, has been removed and reinstalled on the car or has been tampered with or altered in any way you could face some serious consequences. These consequences could include criminal prosecution, fines and jail time. On the civil side of the law the monetary damages could be staggering.
Do you know what you are looking for when you look at VIN?
Many individuals, car dealers and collector car auctions have offered vehicles for sale that have VINs that have been tampered with in some fashion. Surprisingly, it is really not that uncommon! Knowledge, on your part, is the key to avoiding such a situation.
For the purpose of this article I am going to refer to all vehicle indemnification numbers as VINs. I recognize that the older vehicles referred to these numbers as serial numbers and some vehicles are registered by engine numbers, body numbers or chassis numbers but for the purpose of this article I will collectively refer to all of these numbers as VINs.
When the manufacturer assigns a VIN to a car or truck it is affixed in a specific fashion and by law (both state and federal) cannot be removed, altered, tampered with or obliterated except for very specific times when it is necessary for the repair of the vehicle.
When you are looking to buy a classic car, vintage or antique car or truck check the VIN tag to ensure that it is present and matches the make and model year of the vehicle you are looking to purchase. Just this past week I ran across two GMC pickup trucks offered for sale with Chevrolet VIN tags! In other words if you are looking at a GMC and the VIN says Chevrolet, that is a major clue something is amiss.
Also this past month I found a Chevrolet pickup truck for sale which purports to be a 1966 with a 1963 VIN tag! There are many sources to decode VIN numbers easily availible through your favorite search engine. These sources are your friend.
Once you have confirmed that the VIN is of the proper type for the year and model that is only the first step. Next look at the patina on the tag, is it consistent with the condition and age of the vehicle that you are looking at? Is the VIN tag affixed to the vehicle with the proper rivet, screws, spot welds, etc.?
I don’t recall knowing of any instances were metal VIN tags were glued on from the factory. There should be something visibly affixing the tag to the vehicle.
If you spot a vehicle with a VIN tag affixed in a non-authentic or questionable manner, stop immediately and contact Bryan W. Shook and Vintage Car Law® for assistance. Likewise, if the font, aspect ratio or the characters themselves do not look proper contact Bryan Shook for a quick opinion.
If you bought a vehicle that has a VIN that has been tampered with or removed at one point you should contact Bryan W. Shook for an opinion and to assess your options. The last thing you want to do is be stuck with a hot potato or worse yet the subject of a criminal investigation for possession (or offering for sale) of a vehicle with a tampered/altered VIN. Even if the seller did not know of the VIN issue this may not be an excuse or defense. Contact Bryan W. Shook for more information.
For popular American cars and trucks through 1972 here is a listing of how the VIN should be affixed. This list is not meant to be comprehensive or complete just illustrative and helpful.
Chevrolet (not including trucks)
1953 – 1959 Corvette – Pan Head Phillips Screws
Early-1960 Corvette – Pan Head Phillips Screws
Late-1960 – 1964 Corvette – Spot Welds
1965 (Very EARLY) Corvette – Pop Rivets
1965 Corvette -1972 Corvette – Rosette Rivets
1951-1964 Chevrolet (not Corvette) – Spot Welded (never RIVETS OR SCREWS)
1965 (Very EARLY) Chevrolet – Pop Rivets
1965 – 1972 Chevrolet – Rosette Rivets
Ford (not including trucks)
Model A through 1967 Ford – Stamped directly into Frame or Body of Vehicle (starting in 1940s there is a body plate affixed to the body or door of the vehicle that bears the VIN but this number must always be checked against the frame stamping/body stamping). Look for a star at the beginning and end of the stamped number.
1968 Ford (earliest production 1968 model year Fords may not have had publicly viewable VINs in the windshield) – (screws – very rare), small diameter head pop rivets or rosette rivets depending upon the assembly plant
1969 Ford – Standard pop rivets or rosette rivets depending upon the assembly plant and time of production
1970-ON – Rosette Rivets (note for 1968-1970 VINs the rivets are not usually visible)
Chrysler, Dodge Plymouth (MOPAR) (not including trucks)
1931 – 1940s – Flat Head rivet
1950s – 1965 – Spot Welded
1966-1972 – Rosette Rivets
Trucks
Chevrolet/GMC Trucks (NOT El Camino)
1940 – early 1950s – Clutch head screws
Early 1950s – 1953 – Expanding Rivets (very large center hole)
1954-1964 – Spot Welds
1965 (Very EARLY) – Standard Pop Rivets
1965 (late) – ON – Rosette Rivets (NEVER standard rivets)
Ford, Mercury Trucks (NOT Ranchero)
Late 1940s – ON – Warranty Plate riveted (usually with expanding rivets (very large center hole)) to Body – Serial Number/VIN stamped into frame rail as found on other Ford products.
Dodge, Plymouth, Fargo Trucks
1940s – 1950s – Straight head screws
1960s – ON – Rivets (Must confirm Frame VIN matches)
If you think there is something fishy with your vehicle’s serial or VIN number contact Bryan W. Shook for an opinion. Also, if you come across a vehicle with a known tampered VIN please let us know so that we can be aware of it for the future and to prevent future acts of misrepresentation and fraud.
As I wrote in prior article concerning fake and fraudulently made certificates of title; these types of problems concerning VINS and titles are very concerning because you may have purchased a car with a nefarious title history. Worse yet, you may not even “own” the car you think you purchased. I have even been involved in cases where multiple cars/trucks share the same VIN in different states/countries!!!
How can you help to protect yourself and have confidence in what you are already own or are buying? Order a Motor Study®! Vintage Car Law® is proud to offer this one of a kind forensic vehicle title abstract and provenance confirmation service. For more than a decade Bryan W. Shook, Esquire and Vintage Car Law® have established themselves as the leader in vehicle research. This experience is now available to the public in the form of Motor Study®. Call now – 717-884-9010.
Estate Sale of Important Cars Nets Nearly $500,000.00
30+ Antique Cars Sell for $494,400.00 at Rural
Pennsylvania Sale
By: Bryan W. Shook, Esquire
Email: bshook@shooklegal.com
Estate Sale – Allen Shaffer, Esquire
April 24, 2010 – Millersburg, Pennsylvania
Allen Shaffer, a well respected local attorney recently passed away and this past Saturday the majority of his car collection came to sale. Over thirty lots were offered with no reserve, no bidder registration charges and with no buyers premium.
By the mid afternoon, all of the vehicles had been sold and the proceeds realized were just about $500,000.00 from the sale of the vehicles.
Here are the results along with the comments of Bryan W. Shook who personally attended the sale.
|
Year |
Make |
Model/Type |
Comments |
Price |
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1931 |
Ford |
Model T – 5 -Window Coupe |
$19,000.00 |
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1981 |
Delorean |
$20,000.00 |
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1923 |
Buick |
Touring |
bad water pump – lower hose disconnected & pump corroded |
$18,000.00 |
|
1949 |
Studebaker |
Commander convertible |
Nicely Restored |
$25,000.00 |
|
1917 |
Maxwell |
Touring |
Restored 10yrs ago – didn’t run at time of sale |
$17,000.00 |
|
1925 |
Nash |
2dr Sedan |
Nicely Restored |
$11,000.00 |
|
1915 |
Ford |
Model T |
$13,000.00 |
|
|
1925 |
Nash |
Touring |
Great Condition, very nice car |
$20,000.00 |
|
1913 |
Buick |
Touring |
No Title – Yet |
$28,000.00 |
|
1929 |
Lincoln |
7 Passenger Phaeton |
$65,000.00 |
|
|
1910 |
Buick |
Run-a-bout Roadster |
$20,000.00 |
|
|
1908 |
International |
High-Wheeler |
Nice Original – found in barn in New Bloomfield, Perry County, Pa in mid 1940s |
$19,000.00 |
|
1953 |
Ford |
F100 |
Titled as 1954 – OHV I6 |
$15,500.00 |
|
1906 |
Cadillac |
Tulip Roadster |
$54,000.00 |
|
|
1954 |
Ford |
Crestline 4dr |
Needed work & carpeting |
$8,000.00 |
|
1917 |
Studebaker |
Touring |
Nice older restoration |
$23,500.00 |
|
1962 |
Studebaker |
Lark convertible |
$7,500.00 |
|
|
1927 |
Ford |
Coupe |
$8,000.00 |
|
|
1972 |
Chevrolet |
Impala convertible |
Shoddy Repaint – overspray evident, poorly masked |
$9,000.00 |
|
1918 |
Stanley |
Steamer Touring |
$46,000.00 |
|
|
1976 |
Lincoln |
Continental |
$1,600.00 |
|
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1922 |
Dodge |
Touring |
3 owners from new, had side window curtains – very nice potential |
$9,000.00 |
|
1976 |
Buick |
LeSabre |
$1,300.00 |
|
|
1922 |
Whippet |
4dr sedan |
$9,000.00 |
|
|
1999 |
Ford |
F150 pickup truck |
6cyl 4wd |
$8,000.00 |
|
1951 |
Kaiser |
4dr sedan |
No Title |
$5,000.00 |
|
1965 |
Chevrolet |
Corvair |
Possible missing VIN Plate??? Total Mess |
$1,800.00 |
|
1951 |
Henry J |
Corsair Deluxe |
Cooling Issue |
$8,500.00 |
|
1969 |
AMC |
Rebel SST 4dr Sedan |
6cyl – Very Nice Original |
$1,200.00 |
|
1958 |
Mercedes |
190D – 4dr |
Project car with good parts, some trim, but hood wouldn’t open |
$500.00 |
|
1991 |
Yugo |
“Needs Fuel Pump” |
$2,000.00 |
|
Total Sales: $494,400.00
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As one can surmise from the results listed above, the sales prices were fairly reflective of the market today. While the auction was largely under promoted, collectors, brokers and dealers showed up from several states including, Ohio, New York, Connecticut, Maryland and New Jersey to bid on and buy cars and automobilia from this great collection.
Most of the cars in the collection were operational and nearly all of them presented very well. The cars purchased from this collection are sure to be coveted pieces in future collections. While higher prices may have been realized had an auction house such as Carlisle Auctions, RM Auctions, Bonhams or Goodling offered the vehicles, this sale proves that not all collections must be sold through a large auction venue to achieve market value results.
Attorney Bryan W. Shook is not only a devoted automotive enthusiast, but is also an experience litigator who devotes a large portion of his law practice to helping other collectors and hobbyists understand today’s market. Attorney Bryan Shook is available throughout the United States for consultation, advice, and information. If you’d like more information or would like to speak with Attorney Bryan W. Shook please email him at BShook@shooklegal.com.
Bid with knowledge. Buy with confidence. – Vintage Car Law
